An Honest Look At Open Carry: Is It Time To Stop?

[Grapeshot]

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I never say anyone go faster than the speed limit. 3*E8 m/s. There's a reason why you cannot get a jury trial for speeding in most states...jurists would just say "who cares!"

Boldiing is mine.

Cite please.

 

[hammer6]

In this part of the world, a cop making a suspected DUI or excessive speeding stop might well be 50 miles from the nearest backup. A trailer without working lights is a real safety hazard on rural, dark roads and a stop is fully warranted.

Charles

i'm not from a small town, so maybe i don't understand...but, how does stopping someone for a broken taillight, giving them a ticket, and then sending them on their way affect safety?

are they not back in the same situation as they were previously, except they have a hefty fine to pay in the next couple weeks?

i once drove 2 years with only 1 taillight (only 1 brake light too, and no turn signal on that side), and was never pulled over.

the only fear i had was having to pay a stupid fine because i couldn't afford the money it would cost to replace the LED taillight on my vehicle.

 

[Brian D.]

A police officer in his cruiser with his lights flashing can provide enhanced safety to road crews working in construction zones, while also increasing the safety of the driving public.

Yeah, around here that's become quite the overtime/off duty detail cash grab for LE. I'm in the fire/EMS racket and when the cops where I work were doing this, I asked the safety director (supervisor of police and fire chiefs) if it wouldn't be more visible, hence safer, to have our fire rescue truck up there on the highway instead of a police cruiser. The SD was almost sold on the idea but somehow the police browbeat him into letting the cops make all the gravy money.

What I got out of it was pulled over a couple times after that, at night on my way home, without any probable cause. How dare I take the boat payment...uh, groceries out of somebody's mouth?

 

[OC for ME]

i'm not from a small town, so maybe i don't understand...but, how does stopping someone for a broken taillight, giving them a ticket, and then sending them on their way affect safety? ...

It does not in many situations. The "broken license plate light" is the best one of them all.

 

[solus]

It does not in many situations. The "broken license plate light" is the best one of them all.

it is strictly a profit generation for the judicial and agency and in once SC case cost the driver his life.

http://www.newser.com/story/228776/cop-had-sex-nearly-100-times-while-on-the-job.html

other article parts are germane but quote This behavior apparently affected his police work, as Worden only made 27 arrests and gave 25 tickets in the entirety of 2015 while earning $63,000. unquote

ipse

 

[JoeSparky]

i'm not from a small town, so maybe i don't understand...but, how does stopping someone for a broken taillight, giving them a ticket, and then sending them on their way affect safety?

are they not back in the same situation as they were previously, except they have a hefty fine to pay in the next couple weeks?

i once drove 2 years with only 1 taillight (only 1 brake light too, and no turn signal on that side), and was never pulled over.

the only fear i had was having to pay a stupid fine because i couldn't afford the money it would cost to replace the LED taillight on my vehicle.

Typically, in Utah an equipment failure ticket is commonly call a "fixit ticket" in other words you fix it and provide evidence of such to the ticketing ageny and the ticket is voided-- no court, no fine. Now if you dont get it fixed .... That is when court and fines come in!
Now, realistically, i dont do a fully lights functionality check eack time I get in and go and I do appreciate on the rare occurrance getting told I've got a light out.
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[davidmcbeth]

it is strictly a profit generation for the judicial and agency and in once SC case cost the driver his life.

http://www.newser.com/story/228776/cop-had-sex-nearly-100-times-while-on-the-job.html

other article parts are germane but quote This behavior apparently affected his police work, as Worden only made 27 arrests and gave 25 tickets in the entirety of 2015 while earning $63,000. unquote

ipse

Exactly. I recently got a ticket (a week after I just got one dismissed in a very cantankerous and drawn out case~one that will result in a 4th amendment case) -- and asked for an information to replace the ticket prior to arraignment (CT Practice Book Rule 36-11 mandates this). Well, I never got an information (I got a denial to the request) and I filed a motion to dismiss. All the while, the state is demanding I plead guilty or not guilty to the ticket that is no longer a charging document.

So they made lots of threats .. but threatening to take away a DL from a Libertarian is like threatening a forest fire with gasoline.

They will not be successful in this case either.

In most states you can ask for the ticket to be replaced with either an information or true complaint.

 

[solus]

Typically, in Utah an equipment failure ticket is commonly call a "fixit ticket" in other words you fix it and provide evidence of such to the ticketing ageny and the ticket is voided-- no court, no fine. Now if you dont get it fixed .... That is when court and fines come in!
Now, realistically, i dont do a fully lights functionality check eack time I get in and go and I do appreciate on the rare occurrance getting told I've got a light out.
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officer: thanks for pulling over, but did you know you have a XYZ inoperative ~ might wish to get that fixed soonest...have a good day!! (btw this scenario has occurred to me but it was obvious i was an out-of-towner in a strange land, SLC suburb, and the nice local LE was attempting to do something more in depth.)

verses 'getting told' per se

Officer: know why i pulled you over? (driver's vague response)
officer: mind if i look around? oh, you are armed? please remove your firearm for my safety? thanks, will be right back!! oh btw, here is your 'fixit' ticket as one of your three brake lights is inoperative!!! oh, ran your firearm through the stolen database and it has been reported stolen...as the scenario rolls down hill....

PLUS, you must get the equipment repaired immediately so you can meet mandatory time frames established by the stop...if perchance your firearm was confiscated...the nightmare continues.

being advised is far superior than 'getting told' IMHO...

ipse

 

[hammer6]

In most states you can ask for the ticket to be replaced with either an information or true complaint.

cite please?

yes to be snobby, but also because i'm genuinely interested.

 

[MAC702]

...http://www.newser.com/story/228776/cop-had-sex-nearly-100-times-while-on-the-job.html

other article parts are germane...

This was the best: "...investigation found Worden falsified his work logs 146 times, lied to his supervisor, and didn't meet performance expectations (the department's, not the woman's)..."

In the end he was annoyed that someone told the public the details for his resignation. The PUBLIC. You know, the people PAYING his salary and not getting their money's worth, theoretically. In reality, they were probably that much safer and less hassled. They probably should have chipped in and gotten him a new girlfriend.

 

[utbagpiper]

There's a reason why you cannot get a jury trial for speeding in most states...jurists would just say "who cares!"

I'll happily vote to convict any jerk who blows through a school zone more than about 2 mph over the posted limit. I'll give someone 2mph as speedometer error.

I'll happily vote to convict those who think a residential neighborhood is the place to make up a few seconds on their trip.

Business district? I'll give a little more leeway. Flow of traffic kind of thing.

Now, open highway/freeway? Who cares unless truly reckless. But we've got major stretches of Interstate posted at 80 mph. Not many are equipped either as drivers or with cars/tires to go much faster than that safely anyway.

Charles

 

[utbagpiper]

i'm not from a small town, so maybe i don't understand...but, how does stopping someone for a broken taillight, giving them a ticket, and then sending them on their way affect safety?

It is discourage jack wagons from driving around for years on end with broken equipment, creating a hazard to everyone on the road.

We have hundreds of miles of roads with no lights of any kind except what cars have on them. Count the lights on your car. Most of them are not for you to see, but to make you more visible to others. Just as other drivers have a reasonable expectation that you will stay in your lane and stop at red lights, they have a reasonable expectation that your vehicle will have proper running, marker, brake, and turn lights properly illuminated while being operated on public roads. A light can be seen many times farther away than one can use that light to see. Tail lights can be seen much farther away than even the best headlights will illuminate.

I don't understand why anyone would put his fellow, innocent beings at such risk as to operate a 2,000 pound motor vehicle upwards of 80 mph on public roads and not have that car in proper working order. Some folks choose to drive drunk. Some are careless about how they handle and store their guns. Some just don't care about keeping lights working.

are they not back in the same situation as they were previously, except they have a hefty fine to pay in the next couple weeks?

In Utah, if you demonstrate you've fixed the issue in a reasonable amount of time (a couple of weeks), then the ticket is voided. Of course, if it takes a hefty fine to convince some to keep their cars in proper operating condition to share a road wit civilized society....so be it.

i once drove 2 years with only 1 taillight (only 1 brake light too, and no turn signal on that side), and was never pulled over.

Kind of like the guy who drives home from the bar drunk for months or years on end never hurting anyone....until he does?

the only fear i had was having to pay a stupid fine because i couldn't afford the money it would cost to replace the LED taillight on my vehicle.

Those who "can't afford" to keep basic safety equipment on a car like lights, brakes, tires, steering, windshield wipers, in proper operation, "can't afford" to be driving. We've got a young man in the ground here because someone couldn't be bothered to secure a mattress into their truck properly. Guess what happens when a motorcyclist finds a mattress in his lane at night, at freeway speeds? The kind of attitude that doesn't bother to fix a busted light is the same attitude that figures "one drink too many" is still safe to drive home or that a mattress doesn't really need to be properly secured.

A tail light bulb costs a couple of bucks. Red repair tape to fix a busted lens is a couple of bucks. For $10, an entire aftermarket fixture that can be bolted to a bumper or fender and wired in can be had.

A guy who can afford gas and insurance can afford to fix a busted tail light--one way or another--if he wants to. Some just don't care it seems.

I'd prefer such selfish individuals not be on the public roads with my loved ones and me.

Charles

 

[davidmcbeth]

cite please?

yes to be snobby, but also because i'm genuinely interested.

for 50 states? Your kidding...

Unfortunately I am too busy right now to do this research .. going by memory of motions and requests I have seen in the past of different defendants in traffic cases and the results of such efforts.