.460 Rowland

[Grapeshot]

All right guys, I've been doing some online shopping for reloading supplies and comparing those numbers to buying factory loaded ammo. Here's what I've come up with so far:

230gr Hornady HAP bullets - 1,500rds for $297.00
Starline reloading brass - 1,500rds for $450.00
4# Hodgdon Longshot powder - 2,000-ish rds $84
Federal LP primers - 2,000rds for $65

$896 just for the components to make 1,500 rounds of .460R.

Georgia Arms sells .460R ammo in bulk at $830 for 1,000 rounds.

I'm really trying to justify investing in handloading. I'm pretty sure my Dad has an old handloading kit and a few die sets that I could probably use since it's been in his attic unopened in the original box since about 1979.

Advice?

This guy may still have 1700 rounds of Starline unfired brass - he had no responses. You might offer him a couple of hundred.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/161724-460-rowland.html

 

[The Truth]

This guy may still have 1700 rounds of Starline unfired brass - he had no responses. You might offer him a couple of hundred.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/161724-460-rowland.html

Aww...he sold 'em

 

[MAC702]

...$896 just for the components to make 1,500 rounds of .460R.

Georgia Arms sells .460R ammo in bulk at $830 for 1,000 rounds.

I'm really trying to justify investing in handloading. I'm pretty sure my Dad has an old handloading kit and a few die sets that I could probably use since it's been in his attic unopened in the original box since about 1979.

Advice?

If that's the only thing you are considering loading, and especially if this old handloading kit is not a progressive press, you have to factor in the time and hassle involved for setting it up and doing the work. At this point, I don't see the value.

 

[The Truth]

I would most likely end up loading 40 S&W, and eventually 10mm. I'd even consider loading some 30.06 deer loads as well.

Of course everyone has a list of guns a mile long that they want, but I will likely buy at least a Glock 20 before the end of the year, and I will probably own a S&W 500 Mag before too long as well. That should round out my pistol collection nicely. .40 S&W, 10mm, .460 Rowland, 500 Magnum. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

i started loading with a Lyman 310 tong tool very slow worked I have now 5 progressives and a couple of turrets and single stage presses dies for around 50 rifle and pistol calibers and 3 shotgun gauges.

If one is going to shoot a lot thousands of rounds a year money can be saved. the more money I paid the less reloading i did. I could work over time and buy ammo easier then reload it. At least for the cheaper practice stuff. The more expensive hunting loads still pays to reload them.

Now that I am retired and during this run on the market I broke out my molds and brought a bunch of lead and started casting pistol bullets again I think it cost me a couple pennies each for bullets.

Even big 460gr rifle bullets are cheap I think one can reload a box of 44 mag for around 5 bucks.

Its fun relaxing and lets one shoot more.

 

[JustaShooter]

All right guys, I've been doing some online shopping for reloading supplies and comparing those numbers to buying factory loaded ammo. Here's what I've come up with so far:

230gr Hornady HAP bullets - 1,500rds for $297.00
Starline reloading brass - 1,500rds for $450.00
4# Hodgdon Longshot powder - 2,000-ish rds $84
Federal LP primers - 2,000rds for $65

$896 just for the components to make 1,500 rounds of .460R.

Georgia Arms sells .460R ammo in bulk at $830 for 1,000 rounds.

I'm really trying to justify investing in handloading. I'm pretty sure my Dad has an old handloading kit and a few die sets that I could probably use since it's been in his attic unopened in the original box since about 1979.

Advice?

Sure, don't buy 1500 new brass cases. Buy 500 and reload them many, many times so your 1st 2000 rounds looks like this:

230gr Hornady HAP bullets - 2,000rds for $396.00
Starline brass - 500rds x 4 loadings for $150.00
4# Hodgdon Longshot powder - 2,000-ish rds $84
Federal LP primers - 2,000rds for $65
Total - 2,000rds for $695

That's less than half what 2,000 rounds would cost from Georgia Arms ($830 for 1,000 rounds = $1,660.00)

Even more fun, the next 2,000 look like this:
230gr Hornady HAP bullets - 2,000rds for $396.00
Starline brass - 500rds x 4 loadings for $0.00
4# Hodgdon Longshot powder - 2,000-ish rds $84
Federal LP primers - 2,000rds for $65
Total - 2,000rds for $545

Now for this batch you are about 1/3 the cost of the Georgia Arms ammo. And you can probably do this several more times with the same brass before it has to be replaced.

So, how much shooting are you going to do? Sounds like you don't need to invest in a reloading setup, but even if you do that first 2,000 rounds can save enough to pay for a nice setup.

 

[Grapeshot]

....^ ..^ ..I like this math better ..^ ..^

 

[Marco]

Sure, don't buy 1500 new brass cases. Buy 500 and reload them many, many times so your 1st 2000 rounds looks like this:

230gr Hornady HAP bullets - 2,000rds for $396.00
Starline brass - 500rds x 4 loadings for $150.00
4# Hodgdon Longshot powder - 2,000-ish rds $84
Federal LP primers - 2,000rds for $65
Total - 2,000rds for $695

That's less than half what 2,000 rounds would cost from Georgia Arms ($830 for 1,000 rounds = $1,660.00)

Even more fun, the next 2,000 look like this:
230gr Hornady HAP bullets - 2,000rds for $396.00
Starline brass - 500rds x 4 loadings for $0.00
4# Hodgdon Longshot powder - 2,000-ish rds $84
Federal LP primers - 2,000rds for $65
Total - 2,000rds for $545

Now for this batch you are about 1/3 the cost of the Georgia Arms ammo. And you can probably do this several more times with the same brass before it has to be replaced.

So, how much shooting are you going to do? Sounds like you don't need to invest in a reloading setup, but even if you do that first 2,000 rounds can save enough to pay for a nice setup.

Or
use HARDCAST instead of Jacketed bullets :

ex..

225gr TC is $142 per 1000
255gr SWC is $149.50 per 1000
and you can order 5000 pcs (no mixed lots) and get 1000 pcs.....shipping is included w/

Or
use Plated bullets instead of Jacketed bullets
$ similar to HC and safe for velocities up to 1500fps (varies from manufacturer)

Or shop for deals on Bullets (2000= $256)
Nosler 230gr FMJ

 

[The Truth]

Ya, I like dem maths mo betta too.

 

[The Truth]

Bumping this thread. I've followed through on my G20, and a deal fell through on a S&W 500, and after this deal fell through I just wouldn't feel right paying full price for a 500.

Sooo, I'm considering another .460 Rowland pistol. Gen 4 Glock 21 OD Green with a stainless comp. I can't find a picture of one anywhere which means now I've gotta have one

I think I might've found my favorite pistol round. Dammit the Glock conversion is so much more expensive than the 1911 conversion!

And I hear Sig might finally start selling a P220 10mm next year, so there's that...I wish there was a Sig Rowland conversion available!

 

[The Truth]

I just realized I never posted a pic of my baby...

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Nice should work well

It well be interesting to see what velocities you are getting and how she groups a bit farther out.

 

[The Truth]

Just put in an order with Underwood for some of those super duper hi-tech expensivo 200 grain Lehigh Extreme Penetrator rounds. I've been impressed with all of the ammo tests I've seen. The rounds appear to penetrate like a hardcast bullet but cause wound cavities like a JHP. They really are impressive. Underwood advertises 1,400+ FPS with nearly 900 ft.lbs. KE for the .460 Rowland. Maybe I'll keep a spare magazine full of 'em in case I encounter a zombie bear.

I picked up a couple boxes of 'em for my 10mm too. The wound cavity is again impressive, with around 25.5" of penetration in ballistic gel.

I figure for woods carry it couldn't get any better than hardcast penetration with JHP tissue damage.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

At 43.89 for 20 I'll stick with a good hard cast that cost be pennies to make and reload

 

[The Truth]

I figure I'll shoot 8 of em and keep 4 mags full for a special rainy day. I had some extra cash to burn from a poker game in Omaha. That's a story for another day