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Confusion over WY Open Carry restriction

PaulB

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There are to many people here who have NO faith in their fellow human beings, and are not willing to give anyone a chance to do the right thing without feeling the need to FORCE them into action.

MatieA, you are right. This could have been handled better from our side. I'm a great fan of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends & Influence People", and I think everybody who is interested in getting things done ought to be familiar with it.

However, having said that, I must also say that I doubt it would have done a lot of good. The kind of people who get into government, are people who like power. The last thing they want is to be pushed around by the peons. I also have found that politicians as a rule really hate admitting error.

The main reason we should have "done it better" is to deny them ammunition; to deny them the ability to demonize Anthony, or to pass this off as just a bunch of "outside agitators". That makes their position worse, and leaves them less room to maneuver and delay.

Keep in mind there is nothing preventing them from simply eliminating the offending ordinance completely and immediately; it's not as if a crime wave is going to engulf the town by doing that. If they need to come back later and craft another ordinance from what reasonable parts (if any) exist in the original ordinance, they can do that and take their time getting it right. Keep in mind it is they who have no problem with keeping a violent and unconstitutional ordinance on the books while they take their good time (if ever) fixing it.

If you say, "it violates their procedures", sorry, they are ALREADY in violation with this ordinance. The right thing to do is find any way they can to STOP BEING IN VIOLATION, as quickly as they can. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't detect good faith efforts in that direction. Anyway, does legislative procedure trump basic constitutional rights?

As to the point that this is just old chaff left over from pre-statehood days, and that lots of towns probably have the same ordinances - that is likely so. But the threats to arrest were issued by PB cops, and backed up by the city attorney, not a hundred years ago, but a few weeks ago. That fact takes it out of the category of "old crap we can forget about".
 

Robin47

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I just spoke with our mayor, and he stated that the ordinances will be changed, but that they have to go through the properprocedures to do so. He stated that there will be 3 readings of the proposed changes with opportunity for public input at each.

I will be watching the paper for the dates.

Good job, stay on it Bro !
Don't let things slide or it will Slowly turn into a Kalifornia.

Robin47 :)
 

Robin47

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MatieA, you are right. This could have been handled better from our side. I'm a great fan of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends & Influence People", and I think everybody who is interested in getting things done ought to be familiar with it.

However, having said that, I must also say that I doubt it would have done a lot of good. The kind of people who get into government, are people who like power. The last thing they want is to be pushed around by the peons. I also have found that politicians as a rule really hate admitting error.

The main reason we should have "done it better" is to deny them ammunition; to deny them the ability to demonize Anthony, or to pass this off as just a bunch of "outside agitators". That makes their position worse, and leaves them less room to maneuver and delay.

Keep in mind there is nothing preventing them from simply eliminating the offending ordinance completely and immediately; it's not as if a crime wave is going to engulf the town by doing that. If they need to come back later and craft another ordinance from what reasonable parts (if any) exist in the original ordinance, they can do that and take their time getting it right. Keep in mind it is they who have no problem with keeping a violent and unconstitutional ordinance on the books while they take their good time (if ever) fixing it.

If you say, "it violates their procedures", sorry, they are ALREADY in violation with this ordinance. The right thing to do is find any way they can to STOP BEING IN VIOLATION, as quickly as they can. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't detect good faith efforts in that direction. Anyway, does legislative procedure trump basic constitutional rights?

As to the point that this is just old chaff left over from pre-statehood days, and that lots of towns probably have the same ordinances - that is likely so. But the threats to arrest were issued by PB cops, and backed up by the city attorney, not a hundred years ago, but a few weeks ago. That fact takes it out of the category of "old crap we can forget about".

What they are doing in Nevada, is writing letters, or emails, and keeping a record of all that's said.
Then when confronted in other towns or by "Officials", they simply send a copy of the letters
by other Officials or the AG , and that points out the errors.
Things usually change then for the better.
They can't bs you then.
Its working in Nevada. Robin47 :)
 
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